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Journal Entry: Mon Dec 6, 2010, 4:34 PM
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My editor still wants me (well actually, more like... trying to make me to re-consider it) to draw a shoujo love stories.
Don't wanttttttt T__T

1st I don't have experience
2nd umm I don't think I'm romantic enough ^^ ;
3rd I (mostly) don't draw girl LOL

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MAngoal Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Wall flower is a very nice shoujo manga.. The girl is really out of the norm...
SOAPYSHARD Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2010
If anyone can make a shoujo that doesn't disgust me it's you!
Rivalhopeso Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I think if you won't enjoy doing it then you shouldn't do it because it won't work. I could see you doing something fantasy-like, like howls moving castle style - not the art, the world and atmosphere. like robots in the 1920s xD lol that's just me. but yeah, try to compromise with him!! Do it the BAKUMAN way!! xD Anyone read that?
sora-h Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010  Student General Artist
Ah, you can always make a romance comedy [with more comedy to it] or dark romance XD you don't really need to be experienced to write romance, actually XD sure it'll make everything better and easier, but just by observing, you can actually whip out some plotlines :)

You can try observing real-life relationships [IDK, your friend, your parents, etc.] or reading some shoujo manga or romance novels.

And about drawing girls... think of them as pretty boys with boobs and more curvy figures! 8Dd *shot*

But of course, if you really can't do it/don't want to, you don't need to force yourself ^^U it'll be a good experience though [probably]
veelafleur Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010
Well shoujou is basically just one goodlooking girl and 10 different hot men all going after her so all you'd really need to do is manage to make one attractive female. The story is mostly bad insults (you baldie!) and loads of blushing because "ZOMG MY CRUSH IS STANDING LESS THAN 20 FEET FROM ME!!". I really think it could work well for you, hey, can't get experience without doing it, really..
Nacrym Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010
I know you probably don't have the luxury to do that but... you should change your editor. If you haven't done anything for them for now, and they want you to draw something commercial you don't like, there is a problem.
silvercaffiene Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I think that your editor understands how popular you could be if you wrote shoujo, 'cause you draw your men so lovely.

Even if you don't have experience, I'm sure your imagination can make up for it. And besides, there's way too much super-romantic shoujo around, anyways.

I believe you are capable of producing something fresh, with beautiful art.
Hmm, a shoujo manga that doesn't make me wanna puke would be lovely. :) Good luck, if you do decide to do it. If not, ask your editor! I'm sure he or she will be able to give you some good input.

Other Artist/writer/friends will also be of help, if you are in need. :)
rairy Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oww...thats tough. Just come up with BL stories and at the end of plot/storyboard change one of the guy's gender to a girl....end story...*kufufufu*
LinkWorshiper Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010
You should just draw something about a fujoushi, lol. Or something shoujo-like that is shounen-ai at the same time! There is a GW doujinshi artist I love that essentially did that XD
AmeOn-na Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
XD I think...maybe you should try it out? Like just a little small story, xD nothing huge. If you dont like that one, well At least you tried it. XD It broadens horizons tho
EndouHemel Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i'm supposed to be motivator but...

Okay, maybe that makes no sense at all but you get it. But, if you draw shojo manga..i...i...i...i...
Amelie294 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
make it a shojo manga.. with LOTS of boys, action, guns nifty outfits..... action....

it must be pressuring. I hope you pick what you want to do best
Kyas-Essex Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think you should try it out. It's a different experience and it broadens your knowledge. Plus it's a challenge if you haven't done something like that before. Challenges are fun. Unless of course you feel extremely uncomfortable, then I would say not to try it.

I wonder why that is.... I'm a girl and I love to draw guys more than girls. I think my guys turn out prettier than my girls sometimes. :lol:
Shizuka-Riuko Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Student General Artist
I think tha you should try to do it
And if to you editor don't like it, tell him "I told you" xD
Asterisks Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I think it's great, you should get out of your comfort zone more often.
But do you actually have to write the story too?
Hellsamess Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
OMG I feel for you!
I guess the only advice I can give is: stick it to the man.
MagicFishies Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Hobbyist
It doesn't hurt to try. Draw up a few sketches and see how it feels!
ShiroiNeko-sama Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Hmm, that's tough.....

Let see.....try asking somebody else with love experience? or find stories from friends who have experience? I got no experience as well, but when I observe my friends, they have their own love stories, some stayed long until now, some failed, some are in trouble etc.

Or actually, besides shoujo love stories, I prefer you drawing bishies, maybe like the harem genre, for example, love story that revolves 5 guys with one girl kinda thing, like Ouran Highschool, that's a good example of story that doesn't really involve too much lovey dovey moments, just lotsa fun and laughter.
namemaychange Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
Hehehehe it's okay! Anyway, I think in shoujo mangas the male characters are more important, since that's what attracts fangirls!

Just like in shonen, who are supposed to be for boys, females need to attract, while in shoujo it's the opposite! So looking a it this way, you've got a TREMENDOUS advantage XD

good luck! : D
Krismas83 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Do it you'll be great, I mean you gotta start somewhere :)
valkyriensz Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Poor yuu, surely it's really a difficult thing...Let say if...IF YOU ARE reconsidering and trying to make one, I'm willing to give some views and thoughts to share ^^; But I know this is really hard one XD
Eyes-Freak-17 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I was your editor I's make you draw ton and tons of boys :icononionxdplz: but then I wouldn't be an editor :rofl: If you really really dislike the idea of drawing shoujo then don't. There's nothing worse than whipping yourself into finishing a project you don't like :nod:
Ryan-Nichols Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010   Artist
Give it a shot. You can try making things dark and heavy with elements of shoujo. Give us battlefield love or start with typical shoujo and turn it on its head at the end. Really surprise them, but make it your own. You don't have to be romantic, you can be sarcastic and jaded. Take a look at some shoujo and write down the things you like and the things you don't like. Highlights the plus and parody the cons. Whatever you do, I'm sure it will be great. Good luck!
AcheronHades Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Hahah, well, whatever you decide, I bet it'd still be excellent.
Atseyss Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol. Why are you focalising yourself on girl ? You can make a shoujou with boys as principals characters. As someone said before me, shoujou are not only about romantic things or other, it's about character's personality, about reaction between each other. You can make all the situation you want. (even shounen manga look like shoujou sometime. xD )

But it's an evidence you'll have to draw girl and not only. In the end just think on a story and you speak of it with the editor. (but maybe he say he want one of those basic shoujou with random annoying cute girl and random bishonen "i'm too dark no one can understand me (but you... !)" !!)
Anyway, good luck whatever you choose. (^o^)/
Equilonic Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Professional Traditional Artist
1. That's a serious reason, but you have to start somewhere. Who knows - you might like it at the end.
2. That's not really a problem. Seriously, if you're not romantic you cn get away without it. Shoujo stories are about feelings, not romance in particular (seriuosly, I read shoujo about bullying - where do you see a romance here?). If you think you can't do shoujo about romance you can make it sbout something else. Of course, you can put a love interest in it, but he doesn't have to be the main focus of the manga at all.
3. As I said - you have to start somewhere. It's kinda hard to draw a lot of mangas with guys only - eventually it'll get boring :(. Personally, I think I can't draw attractive guys to save my life (other people might find my guys attractive, but me - never). I guess, I could just draw yuri, but I know I'm not going to get far just with that, so I draw my ugly men through my bleeding heart.
kisaki-akizuki Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Student General Artist
Hm. I personally don't think you're that bad at drawing girls. Perhaps it's time for you to get out of your comfort zone and just try shoujo for a bit. You can always draw shounen on the side if you feel like you're gonna explode.
Korean-Goodness Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
Ahhheeee D:

There are too many shoujos, I don't like your editor. I'm sure you have the skills for it, but you're art is just amazing and shouldn't be wasted on a fantasy romance.

I will personally talk to your editor @_@"
RainPaint Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Professional General Artist
This kind of dilemma is well presented in Bakuman manga.
Bakuman manga is about 2 boys, artist and writer, trying to become famous mangakas in Japan.
I think it talks about some real personal experiences of the writer and the artist of this manga, who are the same who did Death Note manga.
Anyway, in the story, they had to do different genres than what they really want and master (they love to do dark and sci-fi manga). Actually, they did pretty much well, and succeeded somehow with these unfamiliar genres (gag manga and fantasy battle manga) but it wasn't a radiant success like what they did with the manga they love to do. But these new experiences of unfamiliar genres helped them so much later with the genres they love to do and put them in a new and much higher level in both ideas and art and became able to do much better and much more.

I think reading Bakuman will help you find some real answers about making comics. It is a manga made for mangakas..
Good luck :heart:
MithriLady Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Professional Artisan Crafter
you can learn something new! :D
Ero-Pinku Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think you can do a masterpiece with every genre. You can experiment with shoujo, maybe you find it funnier than you though, and I'm sure you will learn a lot of things. Shoujo sells very well, so it will be a good thing for your money (and popularity) too, and with your art style, you will draw the prettiest girls in the world.
BUT, if you feel bad doing it... don't do it. You have experience and know that drawing a manga use A LOT OF time and effort, spends so much months of your life doing something you don't like... is a hell ;_____; You're a PRO now so you can tell your editor that you don't feel well drawing it... in other hand, I think that if you can draw everything, drawing a shoujo will make your works go to more new public ( • ㉦ • )ゝ♥
darkn2ght Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
ah that...from what i can gatehr...he asked practically anyone i know to draw THAT..hahaXDDDD
MarikBentusi Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
All my knowledge about this stuff is from Bakuman (in other words, it equals zero), but why exactly does your editor think this is a good idea? Is he/she just expecting you can do anything since what you did so far was excellent?
Shadilyn Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
well that's okay, just team up with a writer. Make the series like 10 hot guys and one cross-dressing girl and you're set! LOL Actually that's totally do-able :'D and I'd read it. LMFAO
Gimchi Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Your editor is silly xD Drawing guys is your forte so where on earth does shoujo come from.
bluemonika Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Professional General Artist
Don't do it if you really do not want to but if you decide to do it then please please please make the girl BADASS and not one of those overly sweet girly whiney weak types you always see in shoujo. do something wild with the girl :D ( and the guys) i am sure you will then like it better as well.
Ravensilver Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
I concur with what some of the others said. Maybe you can do an action shojo story? With lots of pretty guys in it? ^^

If you're dead-set against it, then I'd say don't do it. Because you won't be doing your best work if you hate every line that you draw.

However, you probably also have to consider financial things. If it's a well paying job, and you need the money, then go ahead, try it! I'm sure you can handle it. :)
Syohlane Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
Any challenge is good to take, but do you think that you will enjoy drawing a shoujo manga ? The important thing is to have fun... But I'm not an editor... So what do I know...
Syohlane Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
Any challenge is good to take, but do you think that you will enjoy drawing a shoujo manga ? The important thing is to have fun... But I'm not an editor... So what do I know...
Orpheelin Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
It's the main problem with editors...They just think they have good ideas but in fact they just want you to be more"commercial" and want you to draw "commercial subjects"(as they think because in fact they don't know about what they're speaking about.They're "commercials" they're not drawers, or in the comic fan mood.)
the problem in this case is:

1) you don't draw something you like, so you're less concentrate on your work and quickly borred by it.
2)It's not your usual stories and your public is less attracted by your new project.
3) at least you're not satisfied yourself by your production. This is not your universe,not your usual type of characters, it's a subject you don't know and don't control very well.

I have this problem too. I'm working on my comic project which is about vikings and my editor, seeing there is elves in my story would like me to change my scenario to make something like LOTR ... argueing the films had a lot of succes!! WTF!! I'm not Peter Jackson!I'm not Tolkien and I don't want my story to be a pale copy of LOTR!!

I understand so much your feeling... >_______<
Virus-AC Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
oh poor you!

Yeah exactly! They just want to sell the comic. Shoujo manga have a good sales, that's what my editor said. >__<
Orpheelin Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010
tsss... what'a crapy world!
Ravensilver Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
Shoot your editor! I wouldn't want to see your project turn into a copy of LOTR, either!
Orpheelin Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
that's why I'm still working on Northern but without thinking about an "editor" If my actual editor don't want to sign the project, i'll be able to publish it by myself like Toxic. :)
Ravensilver Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
Sometimes it's good to have an editor. S/he points out inconsistencies, bad angles, strange anatomy, plot holes. But a *good* editor doesn't tell you to re-write your story. Especially if you're not signed on to a publishing company.

As far as I am concerned, your story is perfect as it is. ^___^
Virus-AC Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I was thinking to publish all my comic like yours too coz I don't think my editor or my publishing company will agree with my new ideas^^ it's okay.

right now I'm just do what they want.
myselfonly Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010   General Artist
I think you should give a try!!! =)
wildfirehart Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
You are your own person we can offer support, we can offer criticism (sometime even when asked not to :p) But in the end you have feel it to make it. If you dont feel the work then it wil drive you nuts & you may never be able to finish it or who knows you might surprise yourself & do a really great job (I am of this mind of thought). Fallow your heart, take a deep breath & listen to when it is telling you without all the outside people telling you this or that. You will find the answer I know you will.
Lille-Hime Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If you want, you can always ask for help ^^ there're plenty of artist in here, girls. who have girlfriends, so if you collect stories from them, it might be easier to write ^^ If you want, I'll tell you my story ^^

And I think it might be a good challange to draw girls, if you're not used to it. I totally understand the desire to draw boys, hell I hardly write about anything else, but sometimes doing something out of the ordinary helps you develope as an artist ^^
kurohiko Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
You can do it~ :love: Girls are a lot easier than sexy boys~ :la: We will support you all the way~~
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